tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26181705.post8354863461937740300..comments2023-10-12T06:29:13.317-06:00Comments on Beck: The Gospel according to Beck...Beckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26181705.post-45397551211512495782007-03-08T08:15:00.000-07:002007-03-08T08:15:00.000-07:00FORESTER: I'm pretty sure that the War in Heaven ...FORESTER: I'm pretty sure that the War in Heaven was presented in a way that we were able to freely choose what we wanted to do, who we were going to follow. I don't mean to say that our knowledge was perfect - but the knowledge had to be great enough to freely choose responsibly. <BR/><BR/>But just as Laman and Lemuel, the 1/3 that chose against the plan freely didn't want to follow the plan. They willingly chose. <BR/><BR/>When Christ visited the Spirit World, he organized the preaching of the Gospel - he didn't physically meet with all inhabitants there (read D&C 138). I believe the veil will be thinner but I also believe we will have a period of time to sort things out extending into the Spirit World and that includes our homosexuality.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the dialogue. I appreciate your comments and thoughts. They help me very much.Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26181705.post-82680412456550918022007-03-07T21:25:00.000-07:002007-03-07T21:25:00.000-07:00There is no way we had a sure knowledge in the pre...There is no way we had a sure knowledge in the pre-existence. If this was the case, then way did a third follow Satan? They lived with God and still chose Satan's plan. Another example is Laman and Lemuel. They saw an angel, felt God's power, and they still chose not to follow. <BR/><BR/>You are right that faith is the key. Maybe if we have enough faith when we die, we get to remember. Those who are unsure, don't remember, or don't understand. Christ also visited the Spirit World. When he was there did everyone suddenly know he was the Christ. I'm sure there were many who still did not accept him, even with a greater knowledge.<BR/><BR/>I still want to believe that I get my memeory back when I die. If I had the choice, I would want to have it back now. When I blessed and gave my little girl a name two years ago, I blessed her with the possibility of remembering a slight portion, if not just a feeling, of the Spirit World.Foresterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13252666368088857269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26181705.post-33986533485210181982007-03-06T05:05:00.000-07:002007-03-06T05:05:00.000-07:00Forester: I believe the veil to be thinner, but i...Forester: I believe the veil to be thinner, but if, as you state, we have a full remembrance of the pre-existence, then we would have a sure knowledge of living with heavenly parents, the war in heaven with Christ and Satan etc. and this would negate the need for faith in my mind. I don't know when memory comes back, but my point is - we all have our faith tested and having full recollection at death even of the premoral life seems to be counter-productive to the missionary work of the spirit world that requires one to accept things by faith.Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26181705.post-7900139047651569122007-03-05T16:11:00.000-07:002007-03-05T16:11:00.000-07:00I thought that when we go to the spirit world the ...I thought that when we go to the spirit world the veil is opened and we remember our premortal life. When do I get my memory back? If we do remember our premortal existence in the spirit world it doesn't mean that we know everything. You would still have to learn about what has happened since then with the gospel. How much do we get to know in the pre existence about what is happening on the earth before we are born? It stands to reason that we are not allowed to know anything about mortal existence until we learn it for ourselves as a mortal being.<BR/><BR/>So, yes, we are the same person in the spirit world when we die, but I believe that being that same person includes knowledge of our premortal life.Foresterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13252666368088857269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26181705.post-90034101997962885492007-02-28T06:02:00.000-07:002007-02-28T06:02:00.000-07:00Santario: What? You don't want to live eternally...Santario: What? You don't want to live eternally walking around in white whispey robes, bare-footed on cold hard marble w/ sharp angular corners - not a blade of grass or anything "natural" in sight? What in Heaven's name is wrong with you? :)<BR/><BR/>I hear your point and share your misgivings, particularly the part about living for eternity with stake presidents!Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26181705.post-56691735061810115262007-02-27T22:05:00.000-07:002007-02-27T22:05:00.000-07:00i have no concept of eternity--i'm worried that it...i have no concept of eternity--i'm worried that it's going to be boring, wherever i end up. <BR/><BR/>i have no desire to be the same 'kingdom' as the majority of stake presidents that i have known.<BR/><BR/>and i think a discussion about libido in the afterlife is, well, funny: hey honey, creating a billion worlds today has made me really horny--how about a roll in the celestial hay?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26181705.post-31560954420082799262007-02-26T10:00:00.000-07:002007-02-26T10:00:00.000-07:00M.E.: I agree with you that there is a puzzlement...M.E.: I agree with you that there is a puzzlement here. But I still feel we are playing with words and time sequences. There has to be a time to sort this out. It can't be instantaneous. E. Wickman's comments only make sense (to me)if we are talking about this in the long term. There is no purpose for the Spirit World if all changes instantly at death in my mind! I still see no inconsistency in my thinking. (Of course I'm stubborn and refuse to admit that I may be wrong.:))<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, your comments on sex in the eternities triggers a moment in my SS class a few weeks ago when we were discussing (because a sincere investigator wanted to know) sexual relations of the Gods. I don't claim personal knowledge (believe it or not!) so I just said - "I don't know. Obviously there is a creative process of spiritual children. We are literal spirit children of our Heavenly Father and Mother. The exact mechanism to make that creative process happen is beyond my personal revelation capability." :)<BR/><BR/>But, that having been said, our family desires, our sense of love, our passion for each other, continues into eternity. Our creative process continues into eternity. So that having been said, there obviously is still a desire for such sexual ties... but what a different "sphere" adds to it, I don't know. I may never know and this whole thing is nothing but a great fantasy!Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26181705.post-17882540584578216292007-02-26T09:45:00.000-07:002007-02-26T09:45:00.000-07:00L: Thanks for your comment. You are my champion!...L: Thanks for your comment. You are my champion!Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26181705.post-57580621040743164452007-02-26T08:55:00.000-07:002007-02-26T08:55:00.000-07:00If you read the rest of Elder Wickman's comment, h...If you read the rest of Elder Wickman's comment, he says "... It is a circumstance that for whatever reason or reasons seems to apply right now in mortality, in this nano-second of our eternal existence." That implies to me that he is not differentiating between the spirit world and the resurrection. Once we die we are no longer mortal; and, according to Elder Wickman, we will no longer have our same sex attractions.<BR/><BR/>I hate to say it, but Elder Wickman's remark about SSA only existing in mortality doesn't give me comfort. Isn't sexual attraction the same regardless if you are heterosexual or homosexual? Isn't it just a matter of who the attraction is aimed at? Why do heterosexuals carry their attractions onto the next life but homosexuals don't? Or is he saying that sexual attraction doesn't exist beyond mortality (either homosexual or heterosexual)?<BR/><BR/>This starts to get into a topic I blogged about in my "Deep and Thoughtful" post: If you take away my homosexual attractions, what does that leave? Do I become asexual? Is asexual better than homosexual? Or do my homosexual attractions somehow magically get altered into heterosexual attractions after death? That latter statement seems to contradict other things we know about life after death (at least to my limited thinking).Abelard Enigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13166049686152203530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26181705.post-15981222867798963412007-02-25T15:19:00.000-07:002007-02-25T15:19:00.000-07:00I'm gonna print this and stick it between Matthew ...I'm gonna print this and stick it between Matthew and Mark.<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your example of faith despite all the understandably "cynical" moments and questions (many of which I share).-L-https://www.blogger.com/profile/02854867259876731599noreply@blogger.com